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RADIO INTERVIEW:
DR BOB:
Welcome to to the program. We are waiting for Babaji to appear. This master
has been seen in different times and places and in different bodies since
recorded time. He was last found in a cave in the Himalayan mountains
in an eighteen year old body. He shared his teachings,guidance, and message
until 1984 when he left that body.You can read about him in "Autobiography
of a Yogi", by Yogananda and in "I Am Harmony" by Shyam,
which delves into the most recent appearance of Babaji in Haraikhan, India.
BABAJI:
Hello Bob. Om Namah Shivai.
DR BOB:
Is that you Babaji?
BABAJI:
Yes. I have come forth to give a message about
the great changes and how to live in the higher path and come through
these changes by living in Truth,Simplicity and Love and by serving others
and connecting to God.
DR BOB:
What was that expression you used?
BABAJI:
It is the mantra that I have come to share with
all who are open to receive it. It can calm a disturbed mind and heal
a sick body. It can enable you to connect with your higher self and God.
DR BOB:
What does it mean or translate to?
BABAJI:
It simply means "I bow to the divine within",
or for a western mind, "Thy will be done".
DR BOB:
And how do you use this mantra.?
BABAJI:
Repeat the mantra on a daily basis when at work
or during meditation.Japa is repeating the mantra while passing a mala
bead or what you call a rosary bead through your fingers each time you
say the mantra.There are 108 beads in a mala. But you don't have to do
this.You can simply repeat it silently.
DR BOB:
For those reading the transcript how do you pronounce it?
BABAJI:
It is pronounced like this" Ooommm Na-ma
She-veye"
DR BOB:
What are these great changes you are speaking of?
BABAJI:
The great changes or Great Revolution has started.It
will be both wondrous and destructive. Most of mankind will be destroyed
as Nature balances out the great injustices that mankind has caused against
the environment and each other. There are a few out there who will be
open to this message and will repeat the mantra, live in Truth, Simplicity
and Love and serve others. They will live on the higher path,attach themselves
to God. They will be brave and always walk on. There will be many mountains
to cross,but they will not stop until the goal is reached. They will be
strong, and will never feel disheartened.These will survive the Great
Revolution.
DR BOB:
What does your message have to do with change?
BABAJI:
Change is nothing new. It is a Law of nature.
What is born must die and what dies must be born. The human being is enslaved
to his lower path. The higher self must be developed, so that the lower
self is destroyed and the heart is transformed.
DR BOB:
The first part of your message is living in Truth. What do you mean by
that?
BABAJI:
Man is enslaved by his lower self. This causes
him to desire things,power and acquire as much as possible. In order to
do this man must lie, con and scheme. In your culture things are rarely
sold truthfully.
DR BOB:
Yes,I know what you mean. The other day I went shopping for a computer
from an ad which listed the system and the price.When I got to the store
I found out that it would cost 300 more dollars to get the proper operating
system installed and the right parts to complete the system. When I went
to lease a compact car for 259 dollars I found out about the
true cost which included acquisition fees,delivery fees.prep fees,excess
mileage fees,excess wear and tear fees, taxes, title,license,extra insurance,maintenance
fees,loan fees, etc. which brought the true cost up to 500 dollars a month
not including gas! There are always these extra costs that are never mentioned.Same
thing with a house.When you add
everything up you pay about three times the actual price.But your brain
is saying "yeah, its only 110 thousand" or "wow, this car
is only 259 dollars a month".
BABAJI:
Yes, business is filled with half truth, cons
and downright lies.All part of man's lower nature and his desire to acquire
things.
DR BOB:
I guess the idea of lowballing the price is to get you in for the bait
and switch or selling you something you don't really need so the profit
is higher. I guess which is why people hate going to the dealer to buy
a car.
BABAJI:
And living in Truth is not limited to business.It
really involves our relationships.How many times have you told a lie to
a loved one?
DR BOB:
In the past, guilty as charged. But on the higher path I find that there
is no need for that.
BABAJI:
If we lived in truth most problems of this world
would disappear.
DR BOB:
So the first part of your message is to be truthful. Truthful about your
service, business, and about your relationships.
BABAJI:
It is important that the words coming out of
your mouth are truthful.That you should not engage in idle chatter or
gossip.IT is better to be silent than to utter lies that will surely come
back and haunt you. As it is written in your western religion, "The
truth shall set you free."
And also there is truth in our relationships
when we are on the higher path.We are honest with our loved ones. We don't
treat people like expendable throw away things. We don't acquire people
like we acquire things. If you live in truth then much of the problems
of this world would cease to exist. We would not go to war in the name
of one God against another God when we really want to acquire the things
of the enemy. And this leads to the second part of my message...Simplicity
DR BOB:
Simplicity?
BABAJI:
YES. Our desire for things a created a great
imbalance and toll on this world's environment. This acquisition has led
to the few owning and controling most of the wealth. And as this imbalance
becomes more distorted, the odds of a great war and the destructive backlash
of the evironment causing horrible diseases becomes more likely. But if
we were on the high path, we would live in simplicity. How many homes
does one need to live in. ow many clothes do we need to dress with. Things,things
and more things. Soon they own us.We worry about these things.We steal
them.Go to war overthem.Spend our time guarding and maintaining them.We
become bored with things,discard them,get new things and repeat the cycle
over and over. But we are still lonely, unfulfilled, agitated.
DR BOB:
So on the higher path one would desire few things and live simply yet
still be comfortable.
BABAJI:
Yes. The Buddha once said that if you cannot
in a moments notice leave your home and all your things you could never
be enlightened.
DR BOB:
That's because we become attached to all of our stuff so we can't free
the mind to explore the higher pathways.
BABAJI:
Exactly.On the high path one becomes attached
to nothing, but there is a connection, a spiritual connection to the higher
self, that part of you, the real you, the one who observes the Universe,
the one connected to the Creator.Now, this doesn't mean that you should
give up your things.It means that things are things.And on the higher
path, one is not attached to
things, but merely observes.
DR BOB:
Observes?
BABAJI:
Yes, the true higher self is an observer who
watches without judgement, without thought.
DR BOB:
Without judgement or thought we can't be attached to things or conditioned
by them.
BABAJI:
Yes. Just observation without desire. And without
desire one can live in simplicity.
DR BOB:
So if mankind lived in simplicity the environment would stay in balance,
there would be enough food and things for everyone.And there would be
no cause for war, hunger, or poverty. But this sounds like a fantasy.Civilization
has been around for 15-20 thousand years and nothing has changed.Its only
getting worse.
BABAJI:
Yes, but your world is coming into a period of
great destructive change.And if simplicity is not adapted, then nature
will do it the hard way by destroying much of humanity.
DR BOB:
And how will that happen?
BABAJI:
There will be great changes upon your world.Much
of humanity will be destroyed by disease unleashed from the hidden recesses
of the land.Others will face the great fire from within.
DR BOB:
What kind of diseases?
BABAJI:
Microbes, such as viruses that normally live
in isolated areas will be unleashed as the environment becomes used up.
DR BOB:
What about economic activity?
BABAJI:
This too is in a severe state of imbalance.The
few who have most of the wealth are now enslaving the poor more than at
any other time in history.
DR BOB:
What do you mean.There is no slavery.
BABAJI:
When a large corporation pays a worker 10 cents
an hour housing them in a barbed wired compund that you would never live
in and sells their finished product for many many times its cost to you
and then the few owners of the corporation keep the excess profit while
the worker is underpaid and you overpay. This is enslavement that comes
from greed.
DR BOB:
How will this effect us?
BABAJI:
This form of greed will lead to war. The masses
will rise up with sticks and stones and will overpower the largest armies.And
the consumers, when they find out of this will support the downtrodden...
but let us get to the last part of my message
DR BOB:
And that is...
BABAJI:
Love. Truth,Simplicity,and Love. And Love on
the higher path is unconditional. It is like the higher self who observes
without thought,without desire,without judgement.And love of the Creator.
Repeat Om Namah Shivay and you will connect to your higher self which
is God.
DR BOB:
So Babaji, the higher pathway consists of living in Truth,Simplicity,and
Love.Is that correct?
BABAJI:
It is how we are to live in this body on this
world. There is also meditation which is the chanting of the mantra Om
Nama Shivay.
DR BOB:
Once more for those who are reading the transcript how is the mantra pronounced?
BABAJI:
Like this: Ommmm Nahh-ma She-veye
DR BOB:
Ok.Now Babaji. How long have you been around?
BABAJI:
I am here from the beginning of time.
DR BOB:
And where are you?
BABAJI:
I will at times create a body to reside in. At
other times I will be here to guide you.Just say my name and I will hear
you.
DR BOB:
Are you in a body now?
BABAJI:
No, but this is not important. What is important
is my message of Truth,Simplicity, and Love and that I am here if you
need me.Strive to live on the higher path. Make it your purpose to serve
others. That is why you are here on this world. That is the purpose of
being in a body....to serve.It is not to make money,acquire things,power,knowledge....it
is to serve. No matter what your capacity, no matter what the task or
resource.... you're purpose here, to be a human being, is to be in service,
and your path of living is in truth,simplicity and love.
DR BOB:
What about the great dark changes that you speak of. Can we stop them,
head them off, and save humanity?
BABAJI:
These changes, or what I call the Great Revolution
are already set into motion. They ARE coming and are at the early stages
of process. You are noticing the changes in climate, more extreme conditions
in temperature,larger more powerful storms,more occurrences of volcanic
and earthquake activity and more extremes in the economies. You notice
the changes in the perception of time. Everything appears to be speeding
up.You see your relationships changing rapidly. You are agitated. You
move and change jobs often. You need more and more, faster and faster
multiple sensory input. Now these changes are here and will rapidly increase
and there will be much destruction. This cannot be changed through technology.
It is a bit too late. But there are some who will have an open mind. And
to those who follow my message, you will survive this and you will go
on to serve and create the wonderful changes that I also speak of.
DR BOB:
And what can be wonderful after all of this destructive change you are
predicting?
BABAJI:
After the Great Revolution, this world will enter a golden age. The environment
will be in balance and mankind will have changed its ways by living on
the higher path. There will be tremendous technology. It will take you
to the stars in this galaxy and beyond to other galaxies. You will become
a great race creating life throughout the universe.And you
will meet up with sentient beings from other dimensions of space-time
when your science breaks through the quantum backdrop, the ground of being
from which everything comes, the HOLOFIELD.
DR BOB:
Wow. And where does this all lead.
BABAJI:
You are the eyes and ears of the Universe.You are the observers of creation
and its myriad things. And eventually...this leads you back to your real
self...the Creator...when you will start another universe....over and
over in the dance of the creator.....Remember,by just calling my name
I will hear you.If you are open I will guide you...repeat my mantra...live
in
truth, simplicity and love...and remember your purpose in this body on
this world is to serve...(silence)
DR BOB:
Babaji. Are you still here? ..........I guess not.Well this certainly
has been interesting and I hope that you will appear again sometime soon.
Well, until next time my friends, please join us for another edition of
Pathways, where we will explore the frontiers of mind, body and spirit.
Until then...be well.
END OF INTERVIEW
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